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#1 2019-11-18 17:40:57

winterer
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Hidden Codes?

Hi,

teh statement "We've relayed at least 60 messages", with 56 "obvious" puzzles in the book, hints at at least 4 hidden codes.

One code can be found in

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house numbers

Another one in

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what looks like filing shelves

A third one

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starts in the filing shelves and continues

I suspect a fourth one

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in the squared letters

but couldn't crack that one yet.

A fifth one might be hinted at

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in the letter's footnote

- but I don't understand the clue yet:

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Radio spelling: as in alpha, bravo, charlie, delta?

Have you found more?

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#2 2019-11-18 18:06:43

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Re: Hidden Codes?

I haven't got your first one, but I've got the others, except I'm not sure I've fully answered the third one.  The last two are

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in the letter

What about

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the binary codes on e.g. the 'we've relayed at least 60 messages' page

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#3 2019-11-18 18:42:17

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Re: Hidden Codes?

The first one

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is also very early in the book. Look for buildings.

You said the last two are at the same place. My suspected fourth code is

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a jumble of 21 letters spread across the book. Are you sure that relates to the letter?

I'll dig deeper for the fifth. Any hint as to the interpretation of the clue?

As for

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the binary codes: I found few to have length 7 or 8, which would make them easy to interpret as ASCII. And those that were didn't make sense. The two on the 'messages' page, e.g., have length 13 and 14. I don't see how to parse them into a message.

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#4 2019-11-18 18:54:36

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Re: Hidden Codes?

Thanks.  I've found the first one but don't know the answer.

Sorry I've confused you, I meant your last two 'spoilers' in the first message, your 'fourth' one is

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just in the book.

I wonder if 'Hidden Codes' gets crossed out if you solve them all.

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#5 2019-11-18 19:02:54

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Re: Hidden Codes?

As for the first one:

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all you need is there

For the fourth:

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I tried finding anagrams, but the one that I found didn't work...

And, yes, I wonder about that too...

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#6 2019-11-19 09:05:07

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Re: Hidden Codes?

Hmm, still stuck on the first one

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is the dash between the second and third paragraphs significant?

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#7 2019-11-19 09:12:40

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Re: Hidden Codes?

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The dash is not significant for the code.

I'm still stuck on my fifth one:

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could need some help on "radio spelling".

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#8 2019-11-19 09:16:08

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Re: Hidden Codes?

OK, thanks.

Fifth one

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you were on the right lines earlier, something unique beckons...

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#9 2019-11-19 09:22:16

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Re: Hidden Codes?

First one

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Do I just need the buildings? Both pages?

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#10 2019-11-19 09:35:23

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Re: Hidden Codes?

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Not just the buildings, but left page only

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#11 2019-11-20 22:36:28

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Re: Hidden Codes?

Found another one:

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on the message board, hard to spot

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#12 2019-11-20 22:51:56

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Re: Hidden Codes?

And, potentially, another one:

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On the noticeboard, there are two scraps.

One says "Make a Potential Difference".

The other has symbols used in electrics:
"=V" : V is the symbol for voltage, aka potential difference.
"I R" : I is current, R is resistance
"I^2R" : the formula for power

The formula for Ohm's law is "I = V/R", so maybe this is just a typesetting error?

Had no success in turning that into a phrase yet, though.

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#13 2019-11-21 08:28:07

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Re: Hidden Codes?

Pinboard page:

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Was the one you found three words?  I have found two more hidden messages but they relate to the author. Ohm's law is also V=IR so that's not an error.  Can't get a message from it though.

Buildings page:

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Still stuck on the numbers, any hints?

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#14 2019-11-21 08:37:51

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Re: Hidden Codes?

doublecross wrote:

Pinboard page:

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Was the one you found three words?  I have found two more hidden messages but they relate to the author. Ohm's law is also V=IR so that's not an error.  Can't get a message from it though.

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Yes, three words, in a code I had to use a long time ago. The hint about the author is intriguing. One on the scrap with the three word message, the other with the leet speak email address?

Buildings page:

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Still stuck on the numbers, any hints?

Sure:

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How many building blocks have numbers? Relate that to the text.

I'm still stuck with the letter:

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The only word in "radio spelling" I could identify, was "x-raying". So look through the letter and found the red line connecting the words "nothing" and "enigmatic". Haha! lol Intentional? Anyway, still drawing a blank on that one.

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#15 2019-11-21 08:39:39

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Re: Hidden Codes?

Oh, and was looking at code 35:

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The barcode does not relate to the code, but could it hide something? My barcode reader couldn't parse it, though, despite being able to read a dozen different barcode variants.

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#16 2019-11-21 08:44:51

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Re: Hidden Codes?

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Maybe, but I don't think it's Morse code which would be the obvious one.

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#17 2019-11-21 10:24:05

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Re: Hidden Codes?

doublecross,

I'm still trying to understand your remark

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"something unique beckons"

If that was a hint, I'm currently too dense to understand it. Not making any progress with the letter, although

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noticed an inconsistent use of the letter T, which seems to be capitalized a lot.

Need a leg up here.

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#18 2019-11-21 11:14:04

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Re: Hidden Codes?

More examples:

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banyan keepsake, shot elevator

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#19 2019-11-21 12:08:19

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Re: Hidden Codes?

Thanks, much appreciated. So obvious now, in hindsight.

Have to work out the other one now.

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#20 2019-11-21 13:11:42

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Re: Hidden Codes?

You're welcome

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How about the buildings code?

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#21 2019-11-21 13:26:12

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Re: Hidden Codes?

doublecross wrote:

You're welcome

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How about the buildings code?

Did you see my message this morning?

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Number of numbered buildings? So each building block stands for...?

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#22 2019-11-21 13:53:13

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Re: Hidden Codes?

Ah, missed that.  Got it now, thanks!

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#23 2019-11-21 16:10:18

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Re: Hidden Codes?

doublecross,

you said regarding the pinboard

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that you found two more, relating to the author. One I found and confirmed. I found another one, not on any scrap. Might three letters, not sure yet. That one of yours?

Also still working on my fourth, and the second in the letter.

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#24 2019-11-21 17:06:44

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Re: Hidden Codes?

Yes

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#25 2019-11-21 17:12:16

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Re: Hidden Codes?

OK, so more work then... smile (strike that, cracked it)

Also, found one

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on the page of the first book excerpt

and cracked

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the binaries on this page

Those two belong together, kind of.

Last edited by winterer (2019-11-22 10:15:19)

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#26 2019-11-22 11:42:12

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Re: Hidden Codes?

What do you mean by

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'binaries'? Is that the 'letters of three' right-hand edge?

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#27 2019-11-22 12:20:18

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Re: Hidden Codes?

doublecross wrote:

What do you mean by

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'binaries'? Is that the 'letters of three' right-hand edge?

Sorry, was jumping between pages here.

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I meant the binaries that you asked about earlier, and which I dismissed, on the "hidden messages" page. The right hand edge of the "letters of three" looks strangely cut rather than torn, but not like a code (yet).

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#28 2019-11-22 14:16:49

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Re: Hidden Codes?

Ah, OK, will have a go at those.  Have you got all of 1-56?

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#29 2019-11-22 14:23:12

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Re: Hidden Codes?

Alas, no.

Still open: 45 and 53, where I got stuck halfway through (see posts), and 56, where I have ideas, but haven't really started yet.

As for hidden codes, still open: my fourth, the second in the letter (nope, found that), the suspected additional one on the board that we discussed earlier (finally cracked that), and of course all that I haven't found yet... smile

Edit: Solved, the fourth, got a new riddle... which was easy, and yielded yet another riddle...

Edit2: just cracked 56, but that was just an educated guess, starting with a single letter. I now have to work out, why that was correct. smile

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#30 2019-11-25 09:47:13

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Re: Hidden Codes?

doublecross,

still stuck at 45 and 53, but

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got the feeling that I've reached the "endboss" (in gamer parlance) through the hidden messages.
(unless it's just the entrance to another rabbit hole)
Have you seen a red flashing "urgent incoming message" yet?
Don't see a way forward, though.

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#31 2019-11-28 09:09:45

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Re: Hidden Codes?

Ususally, when something looks odd or sounds odd on any page, it turned out to belong to some code.
So I'm wondering about

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"inner silo" and "re-ed dome" on the ticket @ code 35: strange location names.

If that doesn't belong to another code,

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i.e. code 53,

then it might be another hidden code. I haven't manage to find any working anagram, except

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moon reindeers lied

which unsurprisingly was not the solution.

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#32 2019-11-29 05:55:38

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Re: Hidden Codes?

Another oddity I found:

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Nyctalopia, aka night blindness, "is a condition making it difficult or impossible to see in relatively low light". Surgery doesn't make sense for that condition. But the word nyctalopia contains the letters for Plato or Platonic.

I didn't get any further yet, though, on "Nyctalopia Institute". "I, Platonic State Unity"???

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#33 2019-11-29 08:14:42

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Re: Hidden Codes?

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Any luck with the morse code on the pinboard/appendix? some of the dots and dashed are hard to make out

edit - got it

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#34 2019-11-29 08:28:55

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Re: Hidden Codes?

Becky_P wrote:
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Any luck with the morse code on the pinboard/appendix? some of the dots and dashed are hard to make out

edit - got it

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I found the morse code for code 4 harder to make out... But there are at least three more hidden codes on the pinboard. smile Plus possibly "Nyctalopia Institute".

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#35 2019-11-30 12:35:51

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Re: Hidden Codes?

winterer wrote:

doublecross,

still stuck at 45 and 53, but

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got the feeling that I've reached the "endboss" (in gamer parlance) through the hidden messages.
(unless it's just the entrance to another rabbit hole)
Have you seen a red flashing "urgent incoming message" yet?
Don't see a way forward, though.

Yes, I got that; I don't think there's anything more though.

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#36 2019-11-30 12:37:47

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Re: Hidden Codes?

winterer wrote:
Becky_P wrote:
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Any luck with the morse code on the pinboard/appendix? some of the dots and dashed are hard to make out

edit - got it

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I found the morse code for code 4 harder to make out... But there are at least three more hidden codes on the pinboard. smile Plus possibly "Nyctalopia Institute".

Any idea what 'letters of three' might mean?

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#37 2019-11-30 12:54:45

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Re: Hidden Codes?

doublecross wrote:
winterer wrote:

doublecross,

still stuck at 45 and 53, but

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got the feeling that I've reached the "endboss" (in gamer parlance) through the hidden messages.
(unless it's just the entrance to another rabbit hole)
Have you seen a red flashing "urgent incoming message" yet?
Don't see a way forward, though.

Yes, I got that; I don't think there's anything more though.

My gut feeling says that there should be more. It sounds like another riddle, as there is another puzzle where a "who?" question is posed that had to be answered.

As for your question:

Any idea what 'letters of three' might mean?

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Yes, you'll need it for one of the regular puzzles.

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#38 2019-12-05 17:54:10

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Re: Hidden Codes?

I just found another one on the noticeboard, so at least 5 there.

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#39 2019-12-09 18:09:58

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Re: Hidden Codes?

doublecross,

re: your question:

Any idea what 'letters of three' might mean?

If there is an additional hidden code in that scrap, I think it's

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in the strange shape of the "tear" on the right. It looks cut rather than torn. Some parts look like braces.

I haven't found any place to apply that part of the scrap, though. Have you?

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#40 2020-01-04 19:25:05

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Re: Hidden Codes?

I could use some help with your fourth hidden code

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the squared letters...
A clue to the order would be nice, and whether they are all used or just some of them.
I've tried gathering them all together positioned as they are on the various pages, or counting squares or positions within words, with no luck.

Nevermind...

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Solving the other code from the letter helped when I got the clue. I just wish something had pointed to the letter code.

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#41 2020-01-12 20:46:23

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Re: Hidden Codes?

Here are the codes we were able to verify
1:

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On the Plato opening message (3 pages before code 1), 5 letters

2:

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On the Welcome page (2 pages before code 1), on what looks like folders, 11 letters

3:

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Starting on the Welcome page, 11 letters

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Pages welcome, 1, 13, 22, 29, 31, 38, 39, 41, 46, 47

4:

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On the Instructions for Visitors page (1 page before code 1), 7 words

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Look at the buildings numbers

5:

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On notice boards - Teaching position, 3 words

6:

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On notice boards - 380BC club, 5 letters

7:

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On notice boards - "Do you find yourself lost" message, 29 letters, 6 words

8:

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On letter - Radio codes - 13 letters, 3 words

9:

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On letter - "at last" - 17 letters, 3 words

14:

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21 single boxed letters throughout the book

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first step - 4 words, 21 letters. second step - 2 words, 8 letters

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codes 1, 3, 5, 6, 9, 14, 15, 17, 18, 25, 28, 34, 34, 38, 43, 44, 45, 47, 48, 49, 54

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Some assembly required

15:

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2 pages after code 56 - 2 binary numbers - 2 words, 8 letters

Suspected additional codes we were not able to solve and verify yet:
10:

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On notice boards letters outside scrap papers

11:

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On notice boards - OHM law & potential difference - we only found the first part

12:

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On code 8 - unused strings

13:

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On code 48 - unused "white shaded" letters

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#42 2020-01-14 02:51:45

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Re: Hidden Codes?

I believe I've confirmed your 8, 12, 13, and 14. I also suspect your 9.

Here are some additional ideas I've tried to explore with no luck:

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The numbers on the page with code 13.

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The binary number on the page with code 37. Same length as NYCTALOPIA INSTITUTE and Potential Difference.

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I also wonder about the nine push-pins on the surgery noticeboard, facing in differing directions.

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#43 2020-09-14 06:41:37

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Re: Hidden Codes?

I noticed the author has said in reply to an Amazon review, "There are also more than a dozen hidden codes scattered throughout the book, including an enormous meta puzzle that encompasses many dozens of pages."
I've finished the book and am now searching these out, maybe I need more hints!

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#44 2020-09-16 12:05:47

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Re: Hidden Codes?

Can someone post all the hidden codes locations here??

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#45 2020-09-16 15:18:45

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Re: Hidden Codes?

Here's an overall hint for where hidden content is:

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The hidden codes are never on the numbered code pages; and the overall 'meta' puzzle only connects the code pages and doesn't use anything not on a code page. The meta puzzle leads to the final story instalment. (You don't need to have solved all of the puzzles to get the meta, incidentally)

By number there are 13 or 14 hidden messages, depending on how you count, so more than a dozen, although two are exclusive to Kickstarter backers and one is part of a two-step puzzle, plus two are interesting things to spot rather than full puzzles.

One of the hidden codes has only been found by two solvers, and the overall final answer has only been discovered by 10 solvers. By contrast there have been about 40 correct solutions to the final code in the book.

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#46 2020-09-17 08:17:46

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Re: Hidden Codes?

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So the meta puzzle is the alternate end??

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#47 2020-09-17 12:52:44

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Re: Hidden Codes?

deanashuff wrote:

I could use some help with your fourth hidden code

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the squared letters...
A clue to the order would be nice, and whether they are all used or just some of them.
I've tried gathering them all together positioned as they are on the various pages, or counting squares or positions within words, with no luck.

Nevermind...

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Solving the other code from the letter helped when I got the clue. I just wish something had pointed to the letter code.

Can you post a hint to the number of words or some way to sort these for someone who doesn't have the letter please?

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#48 2020-09-17 13:31:41

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Re: Hidden Codes?

You don't need the backer letter to work out what to do, but a hidden code in it does give you a hint, which I've also hinted at in a couple of recent posts.

The key word I've used is:

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Connect

The full hint - and don't read this if you're a kickstarter backer since it will spoil one of the hidden messages from the letter - is:

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Connect the network

Of course, this is a much more direct hint when specifically associated with a puzzle than when just given generically.

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